#17 Conspiracy Theories: Behind the Scenes

Hey everyone! For this week's episode on the podcast, we delve into some of the strangest conspiracy theories, Mandela effects, and other wonderfully weird coincidences in pop culture, as well as a brief concert review of Gorillaz in the 3arena last week, and much more! From aliens in Area 51 to Pikachu's tail and Mickey Mouse's suspenders- we've got it all! If you've ever wondered if Stanley Kubrick assisted in faking the moon landing, you've come to the right place...

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hi, I'm Sophie. I'm Sophie and I'm Deirdre. As a smart filmmaker, actress, and musician. We will deep dive into the world of music, movies, books, and everything in between. Welcome to the EJ Podcast. Hey guys! Hi, hello. Welcome back to the podcast. Um today's episode is gonna be about like um I forgot the word. Conspiracy series. Conspiracy theories and um like weird coincidences in like history and pop culture and stuff. But first, we would like to say a bit about a concert we went to last night. We saw gorillas last night. It was really crazy. So we didn't go. But yeah, she's there in spirit. Um but yeah, it was it was crazy. We went in like three hours before the doors opened and like cute in the cold. And then we got like second or third from the barrier. So we were kind of second at first, then we kind of like shifted into the third row. I know, it's unfortunate because I I left twice. Boy. I was like stressed when you left. Really? Yeah. Uh the first time I went to go get merch, which was. She paid 40 euro for a t-shirt, by the way, guard. But I wanted to get badges as well, but my card wouldn't work, which is sort of embarrassing. That there was money on the card, but I ended up paying cash. That's fine. But I queued for ages, and there was this guy who was trying to like get in front of me the whole time, and it was like a battle to see who could get there first, and then but I was in the queue and he was like in between the two queues, so it's probably awkward for him. But anyways, um, and then the second time I went to get a snack because you were hungry. Yeah, but anyways, the actual concert was really good. Yeah, that was a difficult story. It was yeah, it was unreal. We were so close to Damon. Yeah, he was like, Oh no, he look he looked at us at one point and he made a funny face on us. Yeah, 100%. I'm not messing, and then he started smiling. So he was like standing on the steps, and we were kind of just to the left of them. So we were like, hey, hey Damon. We like brought a podcast poster with us, and we wrote a note on it, so we wanted to give it to her, but he did not come down to our sections very well he took a left instead of a right, so what can you do? And we were actually thinking of standing to the left at the first, but I don't think he went to like the end. Yeah, he was just in the middle, yeah, and then he went back up on stage. Yeah, but it was such a good concert, did all the classics. Not all the songs after new album though. Like he didn't play um The Plastic Girl. I was a bit disappointed, but what whatever. We knew. But yeah, no, it was it was so so so so good. Yeah. The opener was true true in now. Yeah. Or like a Latin American Argentinian rap sort of thing. Yeah. It was quite good. But he did sample a lot of songs, I thought was a bit you know. They did have really good energy though. Yeah, their dancing was good. Mm-hmm. But anyways. Yeah. Now it's over. I'd see them again though. Oh yeah, for sure. Or just blur, or just like Damon. Yeah. I was surprised the amount of blur s blur fans there, and like Damon fans. Like, yeah, so many people had necklaces. I was like, eh. And like you just heard like Damon Albarn, like everywhere he went to someone's like, Damon Albert, Damon Albert, Damon Albert. Yeah, I kept doing like, oh my god, and then just like remembering I was actually at a gorilla's concert. Yes. Like we're not that niche, really. But um, I was surprised that he he didn't really say much, like he didn't speak. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was just like one song after another. He seemed pretty like chill though. Yeah, so enough chill. Like when he first came on, he just like stood there with like his his arms in front of him and then he just looked down for like the first song. He started praying at one point, by the way. Yeah, like looking up into the air and praying. Yeah, good times. So should we get into like the episode? Yeah. Oh my goodness. Isn't that pretty good? Theodore just presented us with loads of drawings of That's Edward Scissor hands. And that's the Mad Hatter. That's so cool. Look, aren't the hands good? Hmm. Okay, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Okay, so I think we'll start first with Yeah, we have five. Five conspiracies at now.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Well one of them this one and already, whatever. Do you wanna do Mandela effects first? Sure. I have like a really long list of Mandela effects that I found. I know a couple. Well, we'll say first of all, a Mandela effect is basically when loads of people believe something that never happened. Yeah. For no apparent reason. Yeah, it's just like a very common misconception. You know what one I was thinking about? The fruit of the loom logo having a cornet thing.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Cornet.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Yeah, I try to say that. I mean, from like the Hunger Games. I I honestly thought that too. I can like see it in my mind. Yeah. That one I found really weird. Um, some interesting ones that I found was you know, like Forrest Gump, the movie. Mm-hmm. He says life was like a box of chocolates. Not life is like a box of chocolates. Really? Yeah. Mind blowing. Wait, why would he say was though? I don't know, I haven't seen it. Oh. Well, I feel like that one is just like just like requotes that are wrong. It's not like something actually like weird. Yeah, that's still a Mantella effect. Yeah, true. Like you're gonna need a bigger boat. Not weird.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Yeah, I think the biggest one in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Oh, that's weird.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

See. The biggest one in cinema is the Star Wars one. It's like I am your father, says Luke, I am your father. It's like something like that.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Oh, he like doesn't say Luke or something like that. He just says I am your father.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

But everything says Luke, I am your father.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

I feel like a lot of that though is just like say the Forest Gump, but I know that quote from Pharoscump, but I've never actually watched it. That's just like quotes I've heard like as a poster on an English classroom wall, or just from people saying it. So it's like I wouldn't know that it's wrong. Well, like you wouldn't know any of it's wrong, because like you've seen like what the Monopoly logo. Yeah, but say like the one with like Nelson Mandela, that one's strange. Lots of people think he died in the 80s, but it was actually 2013. And that's where the term comes from. Yeah. Um another one is Shaggy has no Adam's apple in Scooby-Doo. I don't know if I really believe that one though. Like there's they showed a picture in the article that I read, but I feel like it depends on the edition. Yeah. Um I love Scooby-Doo. But specifically, I don't know what version it is, but the version I used to watch when I was younger was just like the good one. But I know there's like loads and loads of different ones, so I don't know which one it is. I love the movie they do in um Egypt. The mummy, the Chris of the Mummies or something. It's so good. That movie was my child on. I recently like started watching it again and I realised that it's like just not that good. Like, why do I like this so much? Um, and one more would probably be in The Wizard of Oz. The wicked witch doesn't say fly my prettiest fly, she just says fly fly fly. So really, yeah. To the monkeys. They're flying monkeys. I feel like a lot of these though, I think when it's a quote, like I don't think that that's really a mandala fact. Because I know it is, but I don't think it's as weird as some other ones because things are just like incorrectly re-quoted. Yeah. And that just keeps like you know what when I find like the robber emoji. People think there was like a robber emoji, but there never was. Like that one's weird. What about like Sketchers has no T in it? Why would it have a T? Yeah, a sketch like has a T. Yeah, but like I don't really want to. Or like cheese it's there's no Zed at the end, it's just cheese it. That's just it's weird. It's like Eason Eason's being called Eason and non-Eason. That's so weird to me.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah. What about like Pikachu having like a black life cake? Yeah, that's weird.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

That's weird. There's got to be some addition or something where he does that. Yeah. Um Vicky Mouse has no suspenders. In like I know in the early ones he doesn't. Maybe in the later ones as well. He just has his trousers. I've heard that before, but is that true? He never had suspenders. But I swear there's like buttons on his like whatever he's wearing. Oh here. I just got this off the internet.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Don't come for me. I don't think he I don't, I think he had it in the early, early versions.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Yeah, I swear in like, you know that thing, and it's like the first steamboat dead. Yeah, where he's driving the chip thing. I swear he like snaps his suspenders and everything. Like goes like that. Yeah. Not like snap, like yeah, yeah, I think he does.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

No, he literally doesn't. Look.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Okay, that's actually weird, yeah. Oh, he's so cute. That's odd. There you go. Alright, should we do a different one then? Yeah. Yeah. A different conspiracy theory?

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Wait, what's the Lincoln conspiracy theory? Oh, this one's good.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

This one's good. Okay, this isn't really a conspiracy theory, it's just like a really weird coincidence. So I have all the facts from a reputable source. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Oh, I think I know this one.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Um okay, so Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Lincoln was elected president in 1860, JFK was elected president in 1960. Both were particularly concerned about civil rights. I feel like that's not really that like presidents like they should be. Um both wives lost a child while living in the White House. Both presidents were shot on a Friday. Oh wait, hold on. Both presidents were shot in the head. Now it gets really weird. I didn't say that. I didn't see that. Okay. Now it gets really weird, okay. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. I think that one there's no no one knows if that's 100% true or not, though. Both were assassinated by Southerners, both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. Oh my god. John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated JFK, was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are composed of 15 letters. Lincoln was shot at the theatre named Ford. Kennedy was shot in a car called Lincoln made by Ford.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

I think that's crazy. You got all the years being the same, but a hundred years off.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Like the car was probably like with the years, there's a lot of that's kind of.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Yeah. I don't feel like it's orchestrated though. I feel like it's just the maddest coincidence. Yeah. Probably. Imagine being the American president who's gonna be elected in 2046. You'd be like, oh no. But yeah, isn't that so strange? Yeah, that's mad. And there's also a lot of theories about were the assassins who killed both of them part of the CIA? Or just people? It's weird to me how many American presidents get assassinated though.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Like why does that just like happen? Like I know there's obviously attempts, but why are they always so successful? Like some gun laws and stuff. True. I don't know. Um be gone.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

The moon landing? Was that faked? Like I think people think it's fake because the moon landing happened at a time during the space race. So they thought that America wants to be speak superior. So I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

I don't know. Like I mean Wait, only four presidents were assassinated, sorry. I I thought it was like loads for some reason. That is still bad though. Four people's a lot of people. But anyways. The moon landing. Yeah, as Zopia was saying. Um yeah, it's hard to know. Like there are everyone questions it, you know, because Yeah. There are like a few loopholes. Like there was a flag the flag there put in like why was it like blowing in the wind? Like there shouldn't be wind there. And like who put the camera out there? That could easily just be like a room.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

I think there are a few stars missing on the flag as well, apparently. Really? Yeah.

unknown 13:42

Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

But there's also the big conspiracy theory that Stanley Kubrick was behind the video. Um because what is the fact behind that though? It's cousin, I think they are the facts. There's one other movie, but one of the movies that people are reading into is The Shining that he did, and they did a documentary on it called Room 237, I think a few years later, about like all the hidden meanings in it and stuff, and a lot of it was about the moon landing. And there's like stuff in the movie like room 237, obviously is like 237,000 miles away from the moon or something. We are. Um and then there's a mural on the wall. I know at one point I think it's in the room where he like does his typing. Um it's something to do with the moon landing. I couldn't really make it out what it was, but I think it is people like doing something around cameras and rockets and stuff. And then the kid wears an Apollo jumper for a large portion of the film as well. And then also on the ground in the hotel, the carpet like resembles exactly what the launch pad looks like. And then in the kitchen, there's like food, like tinned food that they used in the in the rocket as well, I think. So there's there's a bit there, you know. That is weird, but also I feel like like with something like a film, there's so much in it that if you wanted to make it, if you wanted to connect it to some random event or something, you could if you tried hard enough, you know. I have that's just like blatantly obvious. Yeah, the food is weird, like astronaut food, like powdered stuff, like like some sort of soup or something.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

But didn't they have such like they had like basically no technology for the first like new landing? Like there's more technology in a modern computer than there was on spaceship, isn't there?

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

You know what's weird to me? How the fax machine was invented in like 1830 something. 1833, I think. How do they even work? Like, I don't know. Cause isn't it that you can send photos and stuff and it like prints messages. Yeah, so you basically send like a like a quote unquote text message to like a printer and then it prints out for the other person. Like, how did they do that? Like, that's so weird to me. Yeah. I think people still use it too. I think it's used sometimes in medicine because it it's harder to hack or something. Or with other important stuff. Like, how does someone figure out that they can like transmit like words through a cable? I still don't understand how like phones work to be completely honest. Yeah, like who does like Yeah, no, I just don't get it. Like I know it's signals in the air, but like it's just one of those things that panics accepted that I'm not gonna like really cat. But you know what annoys me about when people say the moon landing is fake?

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

And they say, like, why is it like dark in the background?

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Because it's space.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Yeah, but people are always like, why can't you see all the stars? But like, that's not how it works.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Like they've really had any technology.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Wait, hold on, let me actually look at all at a photo of like the moon landing. Well, I guess you you could should be able to see the stars, no? Because the reason you can't see them here is because of light pollution, you wouldn't have that moon. No but no but okay, so basically from the way we see stars from Earth, they don't actually shine as much as we think. It's the way their light comes through our atmosphere, it makes it look like they're all shining in the sky. But when you're actually in space, it doesn't look like that. That's how it looks from Earth, but that's kind of it. So, like if you're on the moon, you're not gonna see a sky full of like shining stars, you just see like black mainly. Oh, okay.

unknown 17:22

I see.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

I feel like the flag kind of blowing though, like maybe it's just like crinkled. Oh wait, no. Sorry, I'm seeing more photos as I go. But like it's great entertainment here. Or even look at the shadow. Oh yeah. The shadow compared to the shadow in the helmet. I don't really know because it's a circle, so I don't really know, but interesting. I guess we'll never know. What else do we have here? Area 51.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

What did you guys want to say about that? Well, like people think it's like a place where the American government holds aliens and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

But like why? Like why would that happen? Like apparently in 2019, 10% of Americans still believe that area 51 was like an alien place. That's thir that's 30 million people. Like, come on, like you know what I think it is. What? There's gonna be a lot of Americans listening to this, and like some of them will believe in like area do you want to get like. I'm not dissing Americans. Well, I just it's it's because it's because it's in America, they only surveyed the Americans, you know. Yeah, yeah. Um, but anyways, like what I think it is is a military testing zone. Because like, first of all, in the UK and in America they have and other places I'm sure, but they have all these like big places where the military tests all sorts of things, and you can't fly above it because it's obviously secret stuff. Not necessarily anything bad, just you know, and you can't enter because well obviously you can't enter. So I think it's just one of those sort of places, you know. And maybe you can't enter because there's like radiation or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Like when you go in for it? Oh my god. When you go in for an X-ray, you can't be in the same room because of the radiation.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

So like or like Chernobyl.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

I'd say that's all it is. It's just for first of all, can't fly over because of privacy and can't enter because safety. Like, why why do people think there are aliens there? Like, that's so random. I do think aliens exist though.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Yeah, no way they don't, like.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

I feel like it's just selfish to think that we're quite literally the centre of the universe, that like no one else exists. Like, what? Do you know what my favourite theory is?

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

That there was like that there's this really far away, distant place with like loads of people like us there, like a whole galaxy or something, and then like there was like an asteroid from there, and the asteroid that hit Earth and killed the dinosaurs had like a piece, some rocks or just DNA from that like place, and that's why like humans are like on Earth. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and that's why we came after the dinosaurs, because that asteroid like killed the dinosaurs. Yeah, something to think about. I wonder if they'll ever figure out like this sort of stuff, like how we came to be, or like where the asteroid came from, or if like or if another one's gonna come. You know, like every software goes to the news, there's an asteroid coming in like 20 minutes, like freak out. But yeah. I think if an asteroid were if that something like that were to happen, they wouldn't tell us though.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Because mass panic would just make everything way worse.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Have you guys ever seen that episode of Henry Danger where there was like a volcano about it erupts? I feel like I have. Yeah, you definitely have. And it's like they act like it's the end of the world, but like it's not. And they do all these drastic things, so that's probably why they don't tell us.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Because of the Henry Danger episode, yeah. No. Wait, did we have anything else? Um The Illuminati. The Illuminati. So do we think the Illuminati are a secret government who won the world?

SPEAKER_01 21:34

No comment? Uh no. Not loud.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Yeah. The Illuminati did exist in the 17, late 1700s. For only like less than a decade before it was banned. But they were basically, it means enlightenment, because like Illuminati, Illuminate. They wanted to kind of replace Christianity with like reason. Science. Which kind of fair. But well, okay, no. But no, I mean I feel like that's not the worst thing in the world, you know. Yeah. But you know, obviously at the time that was really bad, so they were banned. But people think they still existed. That they still exist today.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Well, yeah, because most most people who think that Illuminati exists, they think they exist in celebrities because they're like they're like triangle symbols.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Yeah. And you know that video of like um Jim Carrey and he's like all the people you all make these all these celebrities who make that Illumina Illuminati symbol, they know what they're doing. And then the interviewer like laughs or something, and then he's like, Why are you laughing? You know exactly what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

It's like, oh it's kind of odd. Yeah. So is there anything else you want to talk about? Um, I don't think so. I think we've covered a good bit there, hopefully, and kept it. You know what annoys me. Well, oh here we go. You know when people this just really irritates me. When people are always like, guys, why did NASA stop exploring the ocean? What are they hiding from us? What are they afraid of finding? Like, oh my god, like it costs them so much money to explore the ocean, and I think by now they've realized that it's just a lot of water. So why would they put loads and loads of money into into that? Yeah. To just better do loads of dark water. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they spend like loads of money. I think they're the biggest they use the most money in the entire world or something. Really? So yeah, that's that's all we have to say. Um else? I don't think so. Thanks for listening, I guess. Um hope you learned something and um see you next week. Yeah? Hello.