#22 The Truman Show: An Unreality Star

Welcome back to Geek Yoghurt! This week's subject is the 1998 blockbuster 'The Truman Show' starring Jim Carrey. We discuss the film's premise, hidden gems and the psychology behind the show and its subsequent effect on psychiatrists across the globe. There is even a spooky occurrence during the recording of the episode that wouldn't be out of place in the movie itself - so listen closely! We hope you enjoy and have a good afternoon, a good evening and a good night!

The story of the Japanese 'Truman Show-esque' show:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz99yr6dq41o

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hi, I'm Sophie. And I'm Deirdre. As a smart filmmaker, actress, and musician. We will deep dive into the world of music, movies, books, and everything in between. Welcome to the E Joker Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Hello. Hey guys. Hello everyone. This week we are going to talk about the German show. Ooh. One of our favourite films. From 1998, I believe. Directed by Peter Weir. Who directed Dead Poet Society. Yeah. Oh. The crossover. Yeah. So I'm gonna start with a summary. That's okay. You take us away. Oh thanks. Right, so Baby Truman way of saying it. These are from my notes. I'm sorry we're gonna hear it, it'd be fine. Okay, Baby Truman is adopted by a media company.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Yeah, because they were unwanted pregnancy is the story, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

And so Sea Haven is created, which is this artificial town in sort of a bubble with um everything you'd you'd find in a normal town, you know. Seaside, houses, shops, a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Um, and so a fear of the outside world is planted when his father Okay, wait, like, in case you're not familiar with the Truman show, it's about this guy living in a completely fake world and his life was a lie. I my summary is that's not a summary, that's just like events, the order. That's what you told me to read out. Yeah, but like in case you're unfamiliar with it, that's what it is. It's this guy living in a fake world, and it's basically broadcast to the whole world. Yes. And they watch it every night. Yeah. Every day. All the time. It's always yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah. That's just funny. And the film is about him figuring it out. Spoiler item.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Yeah, there will be spoilers.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Just saying. So yeah, um, this is about his his journey, about Truman's journey. And we're gonna talk about all the facts. Yep. And some Easter eggs and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

It probably would help if you've seen this film already, so yeah, it's a very kind of like detail-oriented film.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

So yeah, you kind of just have to watch it. But listen to the episode, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Nice, nice. Okay. Um Duda, would you like to start with some facts?

SPEAKER_02 2:27

Um, sure. Well, so the film, the first sort of thing that Truman starts to realise is wrong, and this is a couple of minutes into the film, is he walks out of his house to go to work and he lives a very like picturesque lifestyle. He's like the perfect guy. He works in finance, he lives in like a nice neighborhood and all this. But he walks out of his house to get in his car, and on the road, like something falls right out of the clear blue sky and lands in front of him, and it's a stage light, and he's like, A stage light? Where could this have come from? Because, like, you know, it's because the whole world is like a set, his whole world is a set, so like the ceiling, the sky is just a ceiling, and it's fake, and they have all their lights from it's fake light, like sorry. So this is a fun fact relating to that is that whenever you see Truman's dinner table, there's always a bottle of vitamin D pills on it because he doesn't know this, but he doesn't naturally get any sunlight at all.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Like imagine like never being exposed to sunlight and like he doesn't even know what he's taking the vitamin D pills for at that point.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah, it's weird. I think that's a funny thing about the film is how the director, like as in, the director of the Truman show, like in the film, chose to make Truman like he could have chosen to let him believe in any sort of world. He could have like simulated any kind of world. Because Truman was essentially like what's the referred a blank canvas for him. Like he was this baby who had no idea what life was like, and he could make him believe anything and grow up in any sort of world, but he chose to make a world that looks exactly like ours. Which you might think is weird, because it's like, well, there's a bigger risk of him figuring it out then. So what do we think of that? Why do we think he chose to do that?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Um, well, probably because it was like broadcasted as a TV show and it it was relatable, I suppose. Yeah. I think it would it would probably have been easier to kind of replicate it more than make something new.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

True, but you could argue that that's more boring. Like most of it was probably just him going to work and coming home.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Yeah, but like that's the same with any reality shows that we have. A lot of it is just normal people do normal things.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah, like modern family, you girl, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Yeah, but there's like a plot, like there's never a normal day in Modern Family. Just like an average day, nothing going wrong. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Well, like, let's say that that this existed in the real world world. There was like a Truman equivalent. Would would you watch it?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

I'd probably watch it out of like morbid curiosity because it's this guy who has no idea he's being filmed. Which is probably not bad, but well, that's probably the same.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

A lot of people who would watch it would probably say the same. True. That doesn't matter why someone's watching it to these people and media companies, it doesn't matter that people are.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yeah. And the thing is like they like advertise all their different brands. Like I think the whole idea for the company was originally so that in the show they could advertise loads of stuff, products. Because you know that how they say, like, everything in the Truman Show is for sale. Like, do you know that one scene where he's this is when he's about halfway through the film, maybe when he started to figure it out, and he's talking to Merrill, his wife, and she just randomly turns around and she says, like, Oh, do you want me to make some of this cocoa? It's like, um, no artificial flavouring, naturally, this, this, this, whatever, the best of its kind. And he's like, Who are you talking to? What are you actually talking about right now?

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Like, surely that was like the producers are kind of like, Oh, it's a bit weird to kind of be doing direct advertising.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Yeah, because that's another thing. Like, the director in the film could have made Truman believe that this is a regular thing people do, that they express their love for products by saying words like that, which are clearly just like marketing things, you know? Yeah. But he chose not to, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

How much do you reckon, like in the Truman show, how much do you reckon the budget was for the show? Because it obviously spanned quite a bit of his well, his whole life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

I always think about that, like, how would it get started? How would they pay for that many actors? Because they'd have to be really good actors too. You know? Yeah. And you can't reuse people.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

But I think Yeah. They're subtly foreshadowing this shot. Solo foreshadowing, like, after his wife is named Meryl after Merrill Stroom.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Yeah. And his best friend um Marlon is named after Marlon Brando. They do stuff like that. All the like characters and um places in the film are named after real life film references to make it even more like assimilated, but really similar to our world. Isn't that so cool? Yeah. Even his last name. What's his last name again? Truman.

unknown 7:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

No, it's his first name. Truman. I forgot his last name, but it's a reference to a popular film college. Really? I was thinking this earlier. Do you think he's called Truman? Because like true man.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Wait, Burma. Burbank. Oh, Burbank, California, that's a place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Can we focus on my revelation? Yeah. Do we think he's called Truman because true man? Oh but it's fake. And I think Sea Haven, the name of the town, is that like because a Haven is like a safe place? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Oh, interesting. Mm-hmm. Um, what are some other fun facts? We'll get to our favourite scenes after.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Um, I think one fact I like is Truman only listens to classical music because it's royalty-free. So in the movie, the company wouldn't have to pay for well, royalties. You know what I mean? I forget the other word for it. Um, what else? Oh, I found this really interesting because I remember the first time watching the film and seeing, do you know the first scene? Not one of the first scenes, where he's like getting ready and he's looking in the mirror, and with the soap he draws on like an astronaut helmet.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

And he says like something about true mania or whatever. I remember thinking, like, oh, that's just so like Jim Carrey. That's just like such like a hymn kind of like comedy. But it turns out that scene was improvised by him. And in the rehearsals, he'd like do something different every time.

unknown 9:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Isn't that so cool?

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah. Yeah. Um. Um, Jim Carrey was cast because Peter Weir saw him in Ace Ventura. Have we seen Ace Ventura?

SPEAKER_00 9:23

No. Oh, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

It's such a funny movie. Oh my god. Um, and his acting reminded him of Charlie Chapman. Oh wow. Yeah. Because Truman was meant to be younger, he was meant to be just out of college. Okay. But Jim Carrey was so perfect for the role they decided to make him a middle-edged man.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

I think it's better that he was just out of college, you'd be a bit, you know, before.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

I think so too. Because I think it's interesting to see how he's so like typical perfect American man, whatever, you know?

unknown 9:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

And he's got his life all figured out just for it to all fall apart.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

What what is our favourite scene then?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

My favourite is when they're out on a pier, I think it is, and he's fishing with his friend um Marlon. And then um they like Marlon's going on about saying, Well, is it I'd never lie to you or something? And he's like being fed that by the director. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

That's what I'm thinking between the two. Mad.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Do you reckon he was like actually friends with him? Or if he's just doing it for the show of it? Well, it's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Oh yeah, because in that scene he seems really like you can't tell if he's trying to lie to Schumann or if he's trying to subtly tell him the truth. Like you just can't tell, it could be either. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

And do you reckon it was all improvised or they had like scripts? Because like you can't really anticipate what Sherman's gonna say, so Yeah, it's meant to be loosely scripted.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

I'd say so. I'd say I don't know if they'd be friends. At the start, no, because your man's being paid to be there, it's his job. But like I'd say over time, probably grow fond of Truman, like even.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Yeah, because he's so like lovable.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

But like, what would you say if there's example Sherman had a friend when he was like 16 and then the actor, like I don't know, they changed the actor. Like what would happen then?

SPEAKER_02 11:08

Just they'd like pretend for the breaks for stuff that Marlon would take, they'd pretend he was sick for a couple of weeks or on holiday or something. But yeah, you'd have to be like really committed.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Yeah. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

You can't really go to any other like you'd have to focus on the the Truman show for your career. Like, you wouldn't be able to go off and do like you know how celebrities are able to do one movie and then they're not really, they have to they can go to other ones. Yeah, you can't you can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

True.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

It's crazy, true, true comment.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Um but okay, so what's the timeline of Truman slowly realizing things start to go something's off?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Oh, are you asking us? Well what do we think?

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Like, because it's from the very start. I mean, if you saw a stage light fall from the sky, you'd be like, yo, what?

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

And then oh, the radio glitching on the way to work. He's going to work, and then he's hearing like, oh, he's taking left on this street, oh he's driving, he's driving, he's looking at the window. And he's like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Are you talking about me? That would be that would be the end for me. That'd be so cool.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Have you ever had a Truman show kind of moment?

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Um well, I was actually gonna talk a bit about the psychology behind it, but I I'll leave that for a bit. But yeah, I feel like I have. Not that I can actively remember, because you know when you want to remember something, it never happens. But yeah, sometimes I think that, like, maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Would you be able to tell if you were doing the dream show?

SPEAKER_02 12:44

I think I'd figure it out, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

What if we were actors? Like, what would this is the real question?

SPEAKER_02 12:51

I just think like there are so many slip-ups. Like, well no, there aren't, but some of the stuff it's like, ah here, like, how can you let that happen now? Yeah. Like the the wedding thing. This is much later in the film. But so he's married to his wife Meryl, and then they're looking through their wedding photos, and he literally sees in one photo she's crossed her fingers while they're you know getting married.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Because you know how if you cross your fingers you're like, you can lie. Well you you can't, but it's a thing. Like, why would you do that?

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

I think if you're lying about everything else, you might as well lie about wanting to be married too.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That's what and if it is a script, like it is a show. I mean, not for Truman, but for everybody else. Do you know? Like if it was another TV show and they're getting married, no nobody would be crossing their fingers because it's scripted. Yeah. Do you know? Yeah. It's not legally binding, you'd think.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

So maybe it's like for her own morality, but you think she's kind of past it at that point. Yeah. What she's doing.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah. But if you were if you applied to work on the Truman show, sorry, would you would you try to drop hints to Truman?

SPEAKER_02 14:04

No, because you'd probably get in massive trouble. Plus, like there's so many of the crew watching, it's like you couldn't get away with anything.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

But towards the end.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

But yeah, like would you do what Lauren slash Sylvia did when she was like, Truman, they're watching you, they're watching you, you have to come find me and all this.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

I don't know, because see, especially if you were an actor in that sort of world, and that the show is so very public that like if you did something like that, you'd probably be blacklisted from like everything, and you'd have to find out the career. True. So I probably wouldn't risk it because there's so much on the line that you wouldn't even think of at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Well, what would you do if someone came up to you and said they're watching you? They're watching you, it's all fake. Everyone's an actor. Would you think they're mad or would you think they're mad? It's honestly the same.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Well, like if it's someone I know really, really well and I trust, then I'd be like, oh well maybe, but if it's just some random opportunity, you'd be like, oh okay, sure, you know?

SPEAKER_02 14:54

I think them disappearing after would freak me out.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Because if it were one of you and you said that to me and then you vanished, I'd be like, oh come on, something's wrong here. Like, yeah. But yeah. Hmm. I think my favourite scene is when this is sort of when he's starting to figure it out. And you know how he starts Guys, the drone. We're being watched. Oh guys, it's the director, oh my god. Um, but you know when he kind of starts to figure it out, so he's like testing things, like he'll switch up his routine a little or drive down a different road and stuff. Well, it's when he goes into this building and he tries to he sees people getting in the elevator and he's like, Oh, I'm gonna get in that elevator. So he walks over, but the it closes, so he opens he presses the button to open it again, but when it opens, he just sees like two members of the crew sitting in like director seats, and they just stare at each other like it's like fake, you know. Yeah, and then he's like, Oh my god, but then he's taken away.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

So what's everyone's favourite line from the movie?

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Hmm. Well, it's not like a great quote or anything, but a line I really like is do you know when he tries to escape and they make it across the bridge and they make it through the forest fire, and then they're trying to get through where there's the people on the road stop them, and they're like, Oh no, there's like a nuclear disaster, you have to turn back. And actually I can't remember exactly what he says. I think Truman's just like okay, and then the guy's like, Thanks, Truman, but it's like a random police officer who he doesn't know, and he's like, Truman, because it's like how did he know his name?

SPEAKER_01 16:40

You know?

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Yeah. So that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Or oh um, what we mentioned earlier about crossing your fingers. Well, when the wife leaves, okay, okay. When the wife is leaving to go to work, he's like, We have to talk, because he's really suspicious of her. And she's like, No, there's an emergency, I have to go. And he's like, What emergency? And she's like, Oh, there was an elevator accident yesterday. You know, I have to go help some of the people who were involved. Because like when he saw the elevator, so they're pretending that just like dropped out of sight, and then he's like, Oh, okay, good luck or something. She's like, Thanks. Then he's like, I'll cross my fingers free. Oh and she like turns around. Oh, it's so cool. So well written. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Sophie, do you have a thing? Um not really, but I like when he was like being kind of crazy and he said, Somebody help me on being spontaneous.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

That was like that was cool. Yeah, for sure. Um for me, I think it's the director who says this, and he's like, We accept the reality in which we're presented. Yeah, I think that's that's just a good summary of the whole film and the theme of it. And it's true, like you know, you gotta accept what's bought in front of you, what's real.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yeah, because we don't know what's real and what's fake. Like you're literally just born into this world, and it's like, yeah, these are the facts, according to some scientists you've never spoken to or you've never studied. And you're just like, okay, sure.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Because if you don't accept it, you'll just go mad. It's like um when he's going into work and the radio thing happens, they have to change the frequency, and the guy in the air says, Sorry guys, it sometimes happens and it can drive you crazy. I think that's good. Because like it can drive you crazy after him just hearing a radio station talking about him.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

That would make you crazy.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Yeah, um, I also wanted to say just a bit about the psychology behind this and sort of what it's inspired. Um he's getting sick. So I like a lot of the thing is quite mental and to do with your perception of the world and what's real and if people are watching you and whatever. And after that movie came out, it sort of became a thing with people to sort of I suppose self-diagnose, because uh this isn't like officially recognised in like the book of mental illnesses, but something called the Truman Show syndrome or the Truman Show delusion that people are about to say that they've experienced, which is like thinking that you or like believing that you are live in a staged reality and your family and friends are actors.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Yeah, I wonder how much damage that show did like to people in mental health.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Because if you were already prone to that kind of thing, like that would just drive you mad, you know? And it was meant to be much darker too. I think the ending it wasn't meant to be Oh, we should get to the ending afterwards, actually.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

But yeah, yeah, and like it's different to like the likes of OCD in that like with OCD you sort of have a fear of this happening, but with this thing you like believe it, like you're fully like on board. And I think that it can be quite harmful, and it's like intrusive thoughts and schizophrenia and all the deletions, something like that can stem out of it. Um so psychologist psychologist Jesus Christ, psychologists have since the movie's release, like I've seen a drastic spike in cases like this. That's mad.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Especially in 2008, for some reason. Really? Do you want to know a fun fact? Yeah. Um, this psychiatrist came out and he said that there in 2008, and he said that there had been five schizophrenic patients he'd had who had serious like um issues relating to the film, you know, having seen it, it caused a lot of harm. And he also had this one patient who is this guy from New York, and he climbed to the top of the Statue of Liberty because he believed he was in a fake reality, and that was his key to freedom.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

But something that should be said is that it's not like narcissism or like an inflated ego, like everyone thinks that the world is running around them. It's really um like a distressing like mental health issue.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Do you know? Well, yeah, it is. Because it's weird because the movie basically takes everything your brain is used to and flips it completely. Like it takes everything you know and everything you're familiar with and says, yeah, that's not what it is at all. Like you're gonna you're not meant to think like that. So it's it's a weird movie in that sense that you you shouldn't really think too much about it. You know. That being said, with my two pages of in-depth research. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

But yeah, cases like this, and it is a form of psychosis, so like it is quite serious, um, even though it's not official. I think there's a quote here from a psychiatrist, which is quite interesting. So they say, if someone walked into my office and said, I believe I have Truman chose syndrome, I'd say that's OCD, when other OCD symptoms are also apparent. But if you just walked in my door and you said, So, do you have hidden? Cameras in here as well. I might think you're going to be psychosis. That's like the difference between like Yeah. Don't you have any other acting?

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Give me a second.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

What do you reckon like the legal kind of aspect around it was in the German show kind of reality? Like, do you reckon they kind of argued about oh is this correct? I should be watching this. Because wasn't it like quite a wide like that?

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah, I think if it happened in the real world, it would be massively boycotted and stuff like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Well something like that did happen. Right? And like did it? Somewhere in Asia. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Really?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah. What was it? There was like a man. No. Forgive me if I'm wrong. There was a man locked in a room for a long period of time and just there was a webcam. And he signed up to it. It was some sort of social experiment. And he just went nuts. Like he he lost it. Really? Yeah, I I shouldn't I should actually check that, check that for fact. When was this? Oh, it must have been like 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

I remember I read about it somewhere, but they I don't know if it was inspired by the Truman show or whatever, but I know there was a man Well sure if you agree to it, like oh it's it's your fault, but also you know what you're getting yourself into.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

But imagine if they do that as a social experiment, and then he was raised in like if they did it with like three different people as well, and then they had one that was kind of violent and the other was like kind and the other was just like odd. Like it would just it would show how like they kind of then be.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Is this the experiment I'm talking about? Possibly. That we did not mention because it wasn't recording.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

You cannot blame me for that.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Okay, basically what we said a minute ago, and there was a malfunction on our end. Malfunction.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

I paused it because Deirdre said to pause it.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

I did not say to pause it.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

She said you said is it pause, and so I said no.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

Yeah, which is why I started talking, because I was like, oh bro, that's it now.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

And then I didn't, and like I closed the window, and then I sat back down, and Deirdre was just talking. I thought she was talking about something. I was calling your own.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

No, what basically what I said and what Sophie has just referenced, so I might as well briefly say, was in the 50s and 60s they would do all these social experiments where they'd they'd get people to agree to it, but they wouldn't tell them exactly what was happening. They'd put the people in a room with the instruction to do whatever they were told, and then the director would say, like, oh, hurt the person next to you. And then if you said no, they'd start like shouting, screaming at you, and tell you you can't leave, even though you actually could leave. If you had walked out, they wouldn't do anything. But you obviously don't know that, and it's really immoral and could never happen today. Yes. Yeah, that was it. Nice. Um well we might as well talk about the ending of the film there.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yeah. Oh, um, what do we like the ending?

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Do we think it was well?

SPEAKER_01 25:14

I like it.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

I think it was good because he got to finally choose something and it wasn't like script before him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Yeah. It's so like hard to watch in the scene where he's sailing across the ocean and like the weather keeps like hitting down his little boat and stuff, like, oh, I'm sad. Yeah. But yeah, the ending's really good. The scene where he walks up the side is just great, like when he walks up the steps of the set.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

And you think it's good that they left that then when he walked out the door and they didn't do a sequel or something. Yeah, yeah. I think that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Because what do you think would happen? I feel like, to be honest with you, if you walked out of something like that, you'd go mad.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

I'd say so, yeah. You'd probably end up missing it, you know, to just the routine of the knowing.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Because going from like so you walk out and everyone knows you.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah, that would that famous. Yeah, that type of fame is just detrimental.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

I wonder what would happen to the set, like, after he left. It'd probably be turned into a museum or immersive experience.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Maybe they do it again, someone new.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

You know, Jim Carrey has said You know, Jim Carrey has said that sometimes he feels like his life act because I feel like that's so trippy for him to actually be a hugely famous person and to be in a movie like that is just so weird about everyone knowing who you are. Or do you know, um do you know that interview where he's on a talk show and he makes this symbol with his hands, yeah, and he says to the host, You know exactly what this means. All you celebrities know exactly what I'm talking about. And the host just laughs or something, and he's like, Why are you laughing? You know what I'm saying here. And then when they like aired that show, they put like laugh tracks over it to make it sound like it was all a joke. Like that would just drive you mad.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Yeah, a bit odd.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

It makes me pretty sad in that one scene where he he basically knows it's all well he doesn't, if you think about it, he doesn't know it's all a show until the very end. He just knows he's involved in something where everyone's in on it that he's not, but he doesn't know what, which is kind of worse in a way. But anyways, that scene where he's trying to get the bus to Chicago and the bus, you know, conveniently breaks down, but he was like so excited to go, and then he's like the only one sitting on the bus. Like that just makes me so sad. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Um, no, not really.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

No, it's over here. Nothing loving. Well, I think we'll wrap it up then for this week. As always, thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Thank you. And if we don't see you, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.